Stick a fork in this one

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Stick a fork in this one

Post#1 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:49 pm

Gents,
Stick a fork in this one, it's done. I bow to Donovan and Rimstalker. Excellent race selection. I imagine you selected the Rebel and Crystal and established your alliance before the game began. The Hyperjumping Sage in Crystal hands is a game changer. The ability to lay webs anywhere within a 350 LY radius is VERY difficult to counter, and laid the foundation for an incredible Crystal offense. The remainder of the racial abilities have been well-played, and the Crystal now has an arsenal of MBRs to back up his Oscillating CTs. My Biocides get stripped of fighters before the first one launches.
This was my first Pit experience, and my first return to Jupiter in many, many years. Learned a lot, I'll be better prepared next time. If all of you choose to continue, have fun! I just don't have the time to invest hours each week into a hopeless cause.
Well-played. Superior coordination. An impressive display. Nicely done.
>>> Raven <<<

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#2 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:51 am

thank you.

Big part of the motivation for this game (at least for me) was people ranting about the oh so overpowered cybernauts after we won The Pit 1 with Robot + Colony.

I guess we will have to see what the Birdmen have to say.

Quick question: Did you planet-strip in the Robot's home cluster? Average temperature there is quite high.

And fun fact of the day. I took over the Robot Homeworld via clandrop this turn, it is at -291 HP :lol:
Wirklich reich ist, wer mehr | Truly rich is, who holds
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als die Realität zerstören kann.| than reality can destroy.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#3 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:59 am

Ehm wait what? We were just about to have some fun....

Thanks for the compliments, but it's actually Rimstalker you have to fear the most. I'm just enabling his bloodthirst :lol:

Just a question we were pondering before this hostrun: if you had played on, would you have made a stand at planet 445, or would you have run / chunneled out?

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#4 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:31 am

Donovan wrote:Ehm wait what? We were just about to have some fun....

Thanks for the compliments, but it's actually Rimstalker you have to fear the most. I'm just enabling his bloodthirst :lol:

Just a question we were pondering before this hostrun: if you had played on, would you have made a stand at planet 445, or would you have run / chunneled out?
There was no fleet at 445. There was a fleet next door at 487. I would have chunneled that fleet out. That's the reason I decided to throw in the towel -- it was virtually impossible for me to make a stand anywhere. Your fleets were so well integrated that it was impossilble for me to pick out the Rushes without engaging the damn oscillating Thunders.

The nail in the coffin was the Crystal Oscillator. I could have dealt with the AM Missiles and webs, but losing 90 percent of my fighters before combat is obviously crippling. Your aquisition of MBRs left me at your mercey. You could tow my Bios into your waiting Thunders and they'd go up in flames without a fight.

My alliance was not tightly coordinated, for reasons I won't go into here, and we didn't take advantage of each other's resources very well.

Again, well done gentlemen. Off to lick my wounds and plot revenge...
>>> Raven <<<

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#5 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:25 pm

:-k Well with Raven2 effectively saying "fork it, I'm outta here", that basically leaves the four of us. The robots are on the slippery slope to extinction and I don't believe I am strong enough to take on both the Crystals and Rebels on my own. The outcome at this stage looks ultimately inevitable, therefore I'm happy to go with the general consensus on this one.

Hawk.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#6 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:30 am

I'm not sure what to do yet. I'm sure there's some fun to be had in this particular game, but it's going to take a while before we actually get to fighting the Birds. Meanwhile Hawkeye will be fighting Cplayer-controlled races, and so will Rimstalker and me.

So I suppose calling it quits now is best, before it gets boring. I think Rimstalker would eventually win this game, so I think it's fair that he would be labelled the winner. My role would be supporting, not warranting 2nd place for me. Hawkey righfully deserves that one.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#7 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:33 pm

Donovan wrote:I'm not sure what to do yet. I'm sure there's some fun to be had in this particular game, but it's going to take a while before we actually get to fighting the Birds. Meanwhile Hawkeye will be fighting Cplayer-controlled races, and so will Rimstalker and me.

So I suppose calling it quits now is best, before it gets boring. I think Rimstalker would eventually win this game, so I think it's fair that he would be labelled the winner. My role would be supporting, not warranting 2nd place for me. Hawkey righfully deserves that one.

Agreed. The Crystal oscillators don't scare me, neither do the anti-matter missiles or the web-mines, however the shear bulk of the combined crystal and rebel forces is probably too much to take on and prevail.

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Post#8 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:01 pm

Hawkeye wrote:
Agreed. The Crystal oscillators don't scare me, neither do the anti-matter missiles or the web-mines, however the shear bulk of the combined crystal and rebel forces is probably too much to take on and prevail.
But they should, really. I used three in the Robot cluster to break the spine of his defense, two in the center pushed the frontline forward by 150 lys.

Single missiles don't hurt that much, but Donovan and I have about 15 launchers right now, and a couple more in the works.

If we decide we want to move into an area, we move there.

And I'm not sure if you are aware, but we are playing with 50 % ESB in this game.

No ESB: Sneak attack Darkwing on the Rush, followed up by a 2nd Darkwing: 2nd Darkwing wins 85% of time.
ESB of 50%: Sneak attack Darkwing on the Rush, followed up by a 2nd Darkwing: Rush wins 97% of the time (assuming average ballte outcomes)

Disclaimer: Very quick sims, after some red wine, 1 am at night :)
Wirklich reich ist, wer mehr | Truly rich is, who holds
Träume in seiner Seele hat, | more dreams in his soul
als die Realität zerstören kann.| than reality can destroy.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#9 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:59 pm

Rimstalker wrote: But they should, really.
Nah, still not scared.
Rimstalker wrote: I used three in the Robot cluster to break the spine of his defense, two in the center pushed the frontline forward by 150 lys.

Single missiles don't hurt that much, but Donovan and I have about 15 launchers right now, and a couple more in the works.

If we decide we want to move into an area, we move there.

And I'm not sure if you are aware, but we are playing with 50 % ESB in this game.

No ESB: Sneak attack Darkwing on the Rush, followed up by a 2nd Darkwing: 2nd Darkwing wins 85% of time.
ESB of 50%: Sneak attack Darkwing on the Rush, followed up by a 2nd Darkwing: Rush wins 97% of the time (assuming average ballte outcomes)

Disclaimer: Very quick sims, after some red wine, 1 am at night :)
Like I say, either of you on your own you're of no concern, as I have means and ways of getting around most of the issues. However when we look at the shear size of your combined forces, and the combining of specialist race abilities, then the balance of power shifts to you, hence why I said the outcome would be ultimately inevitable. Being outnumbered doesn't phase me, being outgunned does.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#10 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:39 am

So just to be sure:

we agree to end this game before the next hostrun, with Rimstalker as winner, Hawkeye second, myself third and Drake as fourth?

Just so I know whether or not to play another turn.

PS: I've mailed Havok and Bitmask, and pointed them to this thread.
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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#11 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:58 am

Hawkeye wrote:
Like I say, either of you on your own you're of no concern, as I have means and ways of getting around most of the issues. However when we look at the shear size of your combined forces, and the combining of specialist race abilities, then the balance of power shifts to you, hence why I said the outcome would be ultimately inevitable. Being outnumbered doesn't phase me, being outgunned does.
I agree that Xtal and Rebel is a pretty good combo in Jupiter. Not necessarily against torpedo races, but as I said before, I mostly wanted to make a point about Viral Fields.

Any discussion about you taking on Rebels on your own (a developed Birdman eats a Xtal for breakfast) I'll refrain from.

Any opinions on making the next Pit a non-ally, xhenophobia game?
Wirklich reich ist, wer mehr | Truly rich is, who holds
Träume in seiner Seele hat, | more dreams in his soul
als die Realität zerstören kann.| than reality can destroy.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#12 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:09 am

Personally, I like this alliance stuff. Problem with Jupiter (and most addons) is that they can get really nasty if an alliance is smart about combining abilities. We've shown this with the Colonies and Robots, and now with the Crystals and Rebels.

Off the top of my head, Colonies and Crystals would be the absolute worst combined enemy (moving webs covered by moving ion storms, Oscillating Thunders to aid the Virgos, free fuel combined with Emerald alchemy means free minerals, and then some), but I'm sure there are terrible combinations I'm overlooking.

We've previously e-mailed Havok with some Jupiter pointers / warnings regarding dangerous abilities, related to alliances and the specific Pit setup. In the first Pit for example, the Fascist just about annihilated the Privateers without ever leaving their homecluster.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#13 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:19 am

the most badly broken alliance I could think of is actually not an alliance at all!

I have not yet tested the finer points of it, but a non-allied, but cooperating Robot-Privateer pair should have the most insane trick they can pull in a game with Jupiter.
Wirklich reich ist, wer mehr | Truly rich is, who holds
Träume in seiner Seele hat, | more dreams in his soul
als die Realität zerstören kann.| than reality can destroy.

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Re: Stick a fork in this one

Post#14 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:23 am

This game has ended.

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