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Post#61 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:21 pm

Enemy#1 wrote:No you don't get PBP's for layiing mines, or Webs or for building Fighters or for building your economy, what you do get is points for all of the above plus for fighting each turn, so 1 turn you can have 3000 points, next turn it can be something else depending on what you are doing, now the people with the most points get the builds, you only see YOUR points and Nobody elses(exept Allies of course). You get points for fighting as well.
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Post#62 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:22 pm

Desert-Fox wrote:
I'm thinking I need to get into some Phost and try it out...sounds like it offers and FIXES a lot of things....

DF
Maybe I should too before I write it off for all time - I do like the idea of the alternate shiplist, especially for the Klingon. I'm just nervous that I could trash my economy, battlefleet etc because I missed one little difference between Thost and Phost. This whole PBP thing for example sounds completely different.
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Post#63 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:24 pm

Enemy#1 wrote:No you don't get PBP's for layiing mines, or Webs or for building Fighters or for building your economy, what you do get is points for all of the above plus for fighting each turn, so 1 turn you can have 3000 points, next turn it can be something else depending on what you are doing, now the people with the most points get the builds, you only see YOUR points and Nobody elses(exept Allies of course). You get points for fighting as well.
Isn't that a "rich get richer and the poor get poorer" thing? I don't like the sound of that.

I do like points for fighting - I think agression should be rewarded. Ascore almost makes you shy away from battle.
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Post#64 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:26 pm

Enemy#1 wrote:For the game that Sherek is talking about, I don't see why it can't be torpers vs fighter Races, but his game.
It could be torper vs fighters, but I alway find that torpers are at a disadvantage againt fighters, even in PHost. Maybe it is because I've played the Tholians so long is the reason I feel that way.
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Post#65 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:30 pm

Gilgamesh wrote:
Desert-Fox wrote:
I'm thinking I need to get into some Phost and try it out...sounds like it offers and FIXES a lot of things....

DF
Maybe I should too before I write it off for all time - I do like the idea of the alternate shiplist, especially for the Klingon. I'm just nervous that I could trash my economy, battlefleet etc because I missed one little difference between Thost and Phost. This whole PBP thing for example sounds completely different.
I'm always ready to give advise, answer questions and on more than one occasion, I taken someone new to PHost as an ally to help to teach them PHost.
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Post#66 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:33 pm

DF,

What Phost IIRC does is rewards aggressive activity as opposed to
squatting.

If you aggress, it rewards you.

The system was designed to discourage the folks that sit back, build
a horde of static bases and win via a score system because in late game
for most races it is often seen as too expensive to invade the porcupine.

ie:
Let's see... target has 50 planets and 50 bases, that's a potential 50
heavies destroyed. I have 25 heavies. Uhm, no thanks.


Phost's system would reward the invader with builds to replace losses.

I used to be a THost purist back in my SWAT days.
We (SWAT) knew THost inside out.

Outside of SWAT games, I picked up phost games here and there and
with the exception of some OOE issues and some changes like the
build queue etc, I found it perfectly acceptable.
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Post#67 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:47 pm

Commodore Cherek, IRJTN wrote: I'm always ready to give advise, answer questions and on more than one occasion, I taken someone new to PHost as an ally to help to teach them PHost.
Thanks - I may take you up on that but not right away - I'm up to my neck in "stuff" and I won't be taking on amy more games too soon.

Cheers
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Post#68 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:02 pm

Gilgamesh wrote:
Commodore Cherek, IRJTN wrote: I'm always ready to give advise, answer questions and on more than one occasion, I taken someone new to PHost as an ally to help to teach them PHost.
Thanks - I may take you up on that but not right away - I'm up to my neck in "stuff" and I won't be taking on amy more games too soon.

Cheers
You would love the accumulative pillage in PHost.
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Post#69 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:06 pm

Gil
Here is a sample

(-h000)<<< Activity Level Report >>>

Old Activity Level: 2695
Activity Points Used: -0
Activity Level Decay: -539
New Activity Points: +30
---------------------
New Activity Level: 2186

(-h000)<<< Activity Level Report >>>

Race Points
----------------------- ------
5 Merlyn 1734
6 The Borg 2186
(-h000)<<< Build Queue Status Report >>>

Base Ship Under
ID Construction Pos Priority
---- ------------------- --- ---------
#104 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRU 62 4400

Tim Score
Race Planets Bases Warships Frieghters
Pirate 144 45 155 14
Borg 87 36 81 34
Tholians 72 26 111 28
Romulans 64 14 97 17
Empire 26 17 97 7
Cylons 46 7 26 13
Rebel 16 6 47 10
CofM 6 4 4 2
Fed 10 2 5 1
Gorn 0 0 1 0
Klingon's 0 0 0 0

the above is from one of my last PHOST games, one of the BEST games I played in, I have the RST I can send you so you can see the what was going on. I was the Borg and the Pirate was my ally, and we WERE not in control of the build que, in TimScore and in ITAScore we were in control of the game, but the other races were working harder with what they had, and had the ACTIVITY points for the builds, I had over 40 PBP's, and NO builds as my ACTIVITY wasn't high enough. Of course I didn't need alot more ships as I was just destroying everything I could until Tei's NASTY webs slowed me down, Experience points for my Ships are below.

Id Ship Name Level
--- -------------------- -----
2 California 4 (!)
5 SMALL DEEP SPACE FRE 1
6 TrackingKlingon's -
10 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
13 B200 CLASS PROBE -
15 D7a PAINMAKER CLASS -
16 OUTRIDER CLASS SCOUT 1
17 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
25 NorthernFront 1
28 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
33 ??????? -
35 LADY ROYALE CLASS CR -
38 B200 CLASS PROBE 2
39 MEDIUM DEEP SPACE FR -
40 Avian Watcher 4
43 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
44 MERLIN CLASS ALCHEMY -
46 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
51 ANNIHILATION CLASS B -
53 PL21 PROBE -
57 Tei space, DropClans 1
58 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
60 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
62 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
67 SMALL DEEP SPACE FRE -
79 SUPER STAR FRIGATE -
81 LITTLE PEST CLASS ES -
87 LITTLE PEST CLASS ES -
89 MEDIUM DEEP SPACE FR 1
90 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
91 Make Room for Daddy! 4
93 BIOCIDE CLASS CARRIE -
101 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
102 MineralShuttle -
107 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
110 SUPER STAR DESTROYER 4
111 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
113 Cobol 113 4
114 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
119 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
120 LADY ROYALE CLASS CR -
127 D7 COLDPAIN CLASS CR 1
128 Fed finder 4
133 B41 EXPLORER -
134 MERLIN CLASS ALCHEMY -
135 NEFront -
138 PL21 PROBE 1
141 Cobol 141 4
143 Say Cheese :] -
147 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
148 PL21 PROBE -
152 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 2
156 Lamburgini 3
158 Waiting for Others -
159 KlingonSpace -
162 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
166 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
174 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
177 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 4
184 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
187 who what where 4
189 SUPER STAR FRIGATE 4
190 Look@Lacedodia :p 1
191 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
192 BIOCIDE CLASS CARRIE -
196 PL21 PROBE -
199 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
200 PL21 PROBE -
204 FedAssumulator 1
205 Gemini 205 4
211 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
212 Crystal Thunder -
213 PL21 PROBE -
215 Money,Money,Money 1
216 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
224 So Long and thanks! 4
225 LITTLE PEST CLASS ES -
226 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
227 WebSweeper -
228 LITTLE PEST CLASS ES -
232 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
233 WebBuster -
235 BIOCIDE CLASS CARRIE -
239 NorthAnnie3of12 1
241 H-ROSS CLASS LIGHT C 4
244 Bring'n Fuel -
246 KlingonAnchor1 -
249 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
251 Anchor2 -
258 Explorer 258 -
259 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
260 SUPER STAR FRIGATE -
262 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
264 CloneME 1
266 Stayput -
270 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
271 B200 CLASS PROBE -
273 Runaway 1
279 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
280 B200 CLASS PROBE -
283 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
288 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
290 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
291 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
292 ShuttleSystem -
295 B200 CLASS PROBE -
300 MDSF 300 4
301 Gemini 301 4
303 VICTORIOUS CLASS BAT -
304 BR5 KAYE CLASS TORPE -
305 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 4
306 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
308 SayCheeseDutch -
309 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
310 SUPER STAR DESTROYER 4
312 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
313 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
314 PL21 PROBE 1
318 Gemini 318 4
320 SUPER STAR FRIGATE 3
323 NOVA 323 4
324 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
326 ProbeKiller -
328 Freight 328 -
331 B200 CLASS PROBE -
333 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
336 KlingonSlimeKiller 1
339 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 2
343 Cobol 343 4
344 B200 CLASS PROBE -
345 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
346 Big Daddy 4
347 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
349 NEUTRONIC FUEL CARRI -
351 SUPER STAR FRIGATE 4
352 YouStartedThis -
356 2
360 NOVA 360 4
362 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
363 Q TANKER -
366 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE 1
376 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
377 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
379 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
381 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
392 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
394 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE 4
395 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
397 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
399 Gemini 399 4
404 SUPER STAR DESTROYER 4
411 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
412 NEUTRONIC FUEL CARRI -
413 PL21 PROBE -
414 BIOCIDE CLASS CARRIE -
415 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
417 MDSF 417 4
426 MineralShuttle 1
428 SUPER STAR FRIGATE 4
429 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
432 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
434 PL21 PROBE -
436 12FighterKiller3of5 -
437 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
438 SpreadClans -
439 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
444 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
446 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
447 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
448 PL21 PROBE -
449 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
450 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
453 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
455 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
457 Firecloud 457 -
461 Avian Eradicator 1
467 Ohio 3
470 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
472 PL21 PROBE -
473 Sacrificial Lamb 4 4
474 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
476 Anchor1 -
477 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
479 D7 COLDPAIN CLASS CR 2
480 Pat 480 4
482 Russia 4
490 BIOCIDE CLASS CARRIE -
491 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
492 MERLIN CLASS ALCHEMY -
495 PL21 PROBE -
498 BIOCIDE CLASS CARRIE -
500 Cobol 500 4
502 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
506 SUPER STAR DESTROYER 4
510 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
513 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
519 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE 4
522 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
524 LOKI CLASS DESTROYER 4
526 SMALL DEEP SPACE FRE -
527 PL21 PROBE -
528 PL21 PROBE -
529 COBOL CLASS RESEARCH 4
531 PL21 PROBE -
533 PL21 PROBE - (!)
537 NOVA 537 4
544 SERPENT CLASS ESCORT 4
545 BIOCIDE CLASS CARRIE -
546 SUPER STAR FRIGATE 4
550 T-REX CLASS BATTLESH 4
551 LIZARD CLASS CRUISER 4
554 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
555 H-ROSS CLASS LIGHT C 4
556 WhatCouldHaveBeen -
557 CofMinvasion -
558 ANNIHILATION CLASS B 1
560 PL21 PROBE - (!)
563 PL21 PROBE -
571 LIZARD CLASS CRUISER 3
573 AnyNova'sLeft? 1
574 PL21 PROBE -
575 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
578 TRANQUILITY CLASS CR 2
580 Explorer 580 3
581 Bird Cage
583 To Kandru -
585 I Need More Ships! 2
587 Thanks4TheClone:p 1
588 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
591 MoreComing -
592 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 4
595 MERLIN CLASS ALCHEMY -
596 grog -
599 PL21 PROBE -
602 EROS CLASS RESEARCH 3
613 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
614 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
619 SERPENT CLASS ESCORT 3
622 SERPENT CLASS ESCORT 4
623 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
624 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
625 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
629 PL21 PROBE -
631 PL21 PROBE -
633 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
634 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
636 FEARLESS WING CRUISE 4
643 ARKHAM 643 4
644 DARK WING CLASS BATT 4
645 EROS CLASS RESEARCH 3
647 INSTRUMENTALITY CLAS 4
649 NEUTRONIC REFINERY S -
653 LADY ROYALE CLASS CR -
657 SERPENT CLASS ESCORT 3
659 LIZARD CLASS CRUISER 4
667 LADY ROYALE CLASS CR -
670 NOVA 670 4
675 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
677 LARGE DEEP SPACE FRE -
679 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
680 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD 1
682 LADY ROYALE CLASS CR -
683 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
684 LOKI CLASS DESTROYER 4
686 LOKI CLASS DESTROYER 4
688 SUPER TRANSPORT FREI -
690 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
692 Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha -
693 Honey, I'm home! 4
695 PATRIOT CLASS LIGHT 2
697 MEDIUM DEEP SPACE FR -
698 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
703 Virgo 703 4
704 PL21 PROBE -
708 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
709 LIZARD CLASS CRUISER 3
713 Return of the Fed 4
720 MERLIN CLASS ALCHEMY -
726 LIZARD CLASS CRUISER 3
731 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
732 METEOR CLASS BLOCKAD -
745 COBOL CLASS RESEARCH -
748 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
749 FIRECLOUD CLASS CRUI -
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Post#70 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:11 pm

B A N E wrote:DF,

What Phost IIRC does is rewards aggressive activity as opposed to
squatting.

If you aggress, it rewards you.

The system was designed to discourage the folks that sit back, build
a horde of static bases and win via a score system because in late game
for most races it is often seen as too expensive to invade the porcupine.

ie:
Let's see... target has 50 planets and 50 bases, that's a potential 50
heavies destroyed. I have 25 heavies. Uhm, no thanks.


Phost's system would reward the invader with builds to replace losses.

I used to be a THost purist back in my SWAT days.
We (SWAT) knew THost inside out.

Outside of SWAT games, I picked up phost games here and there and
with the exception of some OOE issues and some changes like the
build queue etc, I found it perfectly acceptable.
Yo ][avok!!! Can we get something set up for a Phost game? The more I'm hearing, the more I'm liking. I know you're busier than a one armed papaer hanger but if you get the opportunity can we get together with Cherek and Bane and whoever else might be interested and testdrive one of these games? I'm thinking this might be a nice change of pace. I'd like to experience the differences between the two.

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Post#71 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:13 pm

Commodore Cherek, IRJTN wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote:
Commodore Cherek, IRJTN wrote: I'm always ready to give advise, answer questions and on more than one occasion, I taken someone new to PHost as an ally to help to teach them PHost.
Thanks - I may take you up on that but not right away - I'm up to my neck in "stuff" and I won't be taking on amy more games too soon.

Cheers
You would love the accumulative pillage in PHost.
Hold everything - so 2 ships pillaging do twice the damage? Oh yeah - I'm in!
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Post#72 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:15 pm

No in the above turn 60 turn, I didn't get any builds as my activity was low, next turn I went on a 5 turn Spree of blowing everything up, and had complete control again. I wish I hadn't done that, as after knocking out the CofM, Klingons, Empire, and the Gorn, and Blooding the Fed, and Destroying the Cylon invasion fleet into my area, the others all ganged up on me and my ally quit. This was also a 750 shiplimit game those who tried to Squat on the ship Q like the Gorn, were easy pickens for me, he stared out with a large serpent based fleet, and nothing to stop me as I came in, he couldn't buiid with his recycling as it was too late.
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Post#73 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:17 pm

Enemy#1 wrote:Gil

the above is from one of my last PHOST games, one of the BEST games I played in, I have the RST I can send you so you can see the what was going on.
Yes please - I would be very interested in seeing that.

Cumulative pillaging and a better Klinngon shiplist........ =P~
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Post#74 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:19 pm

Question to anyone: Is there some documentation on PHost that is in text format not HTML? I'd like to sit down and read about it.


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Post#75 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:19 pm

Gilgamesh wrote:
Commodore Cherek, IRJTN wrote:
Gilgamesh wrote: Thanks - I may take you up on that but not right away - I'm up to my neck in "stuff" and I won't be taking on amy more games too soon.

Cheers
You would love the accumulative pillage in PHost.
Hold everything - so 2 ships pillaging do twice the damage? Oh yeah - I'm in!
Before you start drooling my Klingon Friend, it doesn't work quite that way, as I tried once to to put 5 ships over a planet all set to pillage and thought I would wipe it out in one turn, some of them were left its cummlative and you can riot a planet real quickly, but its 20percent, and then 20 percent of whats left, and so on.not 20 percent each all at the sametime.
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