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Post#16 » Mon May 29, 2006 8:29 am

Klauser wrote:Truth be told, I find the SFB graphics a little "blocky" and repetative as a general rule - but hey, when the game came out in the 70s, this was state of the "Trek" art!

By and large, I think the FASA ship graphics from the 80's were cleaner-looking. Of course, since the FASA game was primarily set in the Trek "Movie Era", it stands to reason that they would be slicker looking. Which is probably why Tim chose to "borrow" many of his ship designs from FASA.

However, I think some of the SFB ship designs - particularly the Lyran and Kzin ships - are pretty sweet looking!!
I like the Kzin, & Gorn the best.

What's funny is a number of the weapon arrays in v3 are the same
as from the source books of Fasa's game.

I still wish more thought by both game groups had gone into hull
designs.

Best thing in my memory about SFB (since I never got to play SFB) was
reading the Captain's Logbooks with the battle stories.

I did enjoy SFC when it came out and some vet SFB players did quite
well in SFC in the early days because they understood the power game.
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Post#17 » Mon May 29, 2006 12:18 pm

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Oh, this looks SO cool! See my message in Wing Commander.
I will be in your area shortly to wipe you out, so Hang on.
I take it you want to join this game and slow it down to a crawl too. Get your turn in early once every 15 turns.
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The US Marines don't have that problem.
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Post#18 » Mon May 29, 2006 1:11 pm

B A N E wrote: I like the Kzin, & Gorn the best.

What's funny is a number of the weapon arrays in v3 are the same
as from the source books of Fasa's game.

I still wish more thought by both game groups had gone into hull
designs.

Best thing in my memory about SFB (since I never got to play SFB) was
reading the Captain's Logbooks with the battle stories.

I did enjoy SFC when it came out and some vet SFB players did quite
well in SFC in the early days because they understood the power game.
Yeah ... about 10 years back I picked up a whole stack of used "Captains Logs" for about 5 bucks at a gamestore that was clearing out stock. I was looking for ship designs at the time because I was working the graphics for the "Federation and Empire" scenario - but I wound up thumbing through a lot of the battle stories as well.

Glad you liked the Gorn and Kzin - thanks!


hennef wrote:do you have the full ship-stats available somewhere?

i just have no idea of the board game, but i like those trek-universes in ship-battle-cases :D
and i love board games ;)
Here's the full ship stats list - a more reader friendly html version can be found in the SFB Ship List Mod, which is available for d/l here on Circus Maximus. Or I would be happy to email the ship list directly - just drop me a PM with your address.


PLAYER 1 - FEDERATION
TL NAME---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
2 BURKE FF 6 - - 1 100 80 180 135 90 31 22 13
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
3 SALADIN DD 6 - 2 1 160 155 210 150 155 51 33 15
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 PTOLEMY BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 315 5880 2940 296 310 107 42 53
5 CONSTIT CA 6 - 4 2 345 245 425 430 290 61 42 73 *BioScan*
6 KIROV BC 6 - 6 2 475 245 615 480 627 93 122 80
7 NIMITZ CV 6 6 - 2 355 88 385 479 370 83 42 57
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
9 KEARSARGE NCL 6 - 2 2 225 80 240 265 245 80 55 43 *DeCloak*
9 FEDERATION DN 8 - 8 3 705 295 1050 730 910 253 235 179
10 ARES BB 10 -10 4 810 395 1050 785 1175 756 664 534
10 NAPOLEAN CVA 10 8 - 4 735 156 970 805 910 143 140 150


PLAYER 2 - GORN
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 RAPTOR FF 6 - - 1 125 40 240 122 110 40 20 14 *Cloak*
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
2 CARNOSAUR DD 4 - 2 1 150 245 190 167 160 50 30 19
3 STEGOSAUR WC 5 - 3 2 185 205 230 210 94 83 41 33 *Cloak*
4 STEGOSAUR-V CVL 5 3 - 2 185 48 260 232 270 113 41 33
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 BRONTO BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 245 4250 2850 328 390 83 41 43
5 ALLOSAUR CA 6 - 4 2 315 295 375 415 320 82 40 52
6 MEGALOSAUR-V CV 6 6 - 2 340 82 380 421 360 123 71 53
6 ALBERTOSAUR BC 8 - 6 2 430 300 515 477 645 104 177 86
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
8 T-REX DN 10 - 6 3 530 412 850 712 860 252 247 148


PLAYER 3 - ROMULAN
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 SNIPE FF 4 - - 1 60 50 220 95 50 33 22 15 *Cloak*
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
2 FREIGHT EAGLE 2 - - 1 95 360 440 85 185 33 24 15 *Cloak*
2 WAR EAGLE CM 4 - 6 2 195 255 430 257 180 61 32 81 *Cloak*
3 KR CL 6 - 4 2 235 135 380 230 160 55 35 75 *Cloak*
4 ROM BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 251 5742 3250 357 290 125 81 91 *Cloak*
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
6 SPARROWHK-B CV 6 6 - 2 315 82 260 262 380 82 52 103 *Cloak*
7 FIREHAWK CA 8 - 4 2 345 230 433 468 380 91 52 107 *Cloak*
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
9 CONDOR DN 8 -10 3 591 250 590 710 735 123 170 210 *Cloak+*
10 CONDOR-C CVA 8 10- 4 611 156 590 710 835 143 170 260 *Cloak+*


PLAYER 4 - KLINGON
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 F5 FF 6 - - 1 96 40 180 125 80 33 32 15
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
3 D6 CR 6 - 4 2 315 185 380 230 160 55 35 40 *Glory-*
4 D5 WC 6 - 4 2 205 95 275 222 110 73 42 55 *Cloak*
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 KLG BAT-TUG 6 1 - 2 251 5890 3190 390 370 135 94 91
6 D7-V CV 6 6 - 2 330 88 470 383 310 101 42 83
6 C7 BCH 8 - 6 3 520 180 630 423 580 161 142 113
7 D7 CA 8 - 2 2 320 240 470 373 270 71 42 91 *Cloak*
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
8 C8 DN 9 - 8 3 665 290 930 735 795 260 150 135
9 C8-V CVA 9 8 - 3 675 146 930 735 810 243 150 155
10 B10 BB 10 -10 4 960 400 1775 917 1015 638 656 514 *ImpAss*


PLAYER 5 -ORION
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
2 SLAVER FRT 2 - 1 1 75 390 210 52 107 18 13 14
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
4 CORSAIR RAIDER 4 - 1 1 57 20 180 60 95 22 17 15 *Grv/Clk*
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 VIKING CV 2 6 - 1 87 30 180 80 95 22 17 15
6 SALVAGE SHIP 4 1 - 2 160 3220 2150 122 280 62 43 15
6 RAIDER CRUISER 4 - 4 2 110 120 285 112 250 57 30 66 *Grv/Clk*
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
8 MAURADER CA 7 - 4 3 285 275 375 262 265 77 42 66 *Cloak*


PLAYER 6 - SELTORIAN
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 SELTORIAN FF 7 - - 1 95 145 225 119 145 41 24 23
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
3 SELTORIAN DD 5 - 2 1 135 235 210 139 175 58 38 25
3 SELT BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 140 3260 2155 169 235 78 52 45
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 SELTORIAN CA 7 - 5 2 310 362 510 312 310 92 57 91
6 SELTORIAN CV 7 5 - 2 285 115 405 332 311 105 63 61
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
10 SELT HIVE SHIP 10 10- 10 980 560 3132 3072 7456 979 983 997


PLAYER 7 - THOLIAN
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
2 ARACHNID PC 4 - 4 1 175 150 245 78 135 47 32 18
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
3 BLACK WIDOW CVL 4 4 - 1 205 48 245 88 155 49 32 20
4 WASP-T WC 6 - 2 2 200 100 230 238 140 71 44 23 *TForm*
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 THOL BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 120 3380 1995 226 215 78 32 43
6 MANTIS CA 6 - 4 2 295 250 260 370 235 65 35 49
7 SCORPION CV 6 6 - 2 305 82 280 370 255 65 45 79
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
8 TARANTULA DN 7 - 9 3 590 380 620 622 780 251 242 134
10 NEO-THOLIAN BB 10 -10 4 732 425 972 735 990 582 604 468


PLAYER 8 - LYRAN
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 CHEETAH FF 7 - - 1 70 50 150 119 70 33 22 7
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
3 LEOPARD DD 4 - 4 1 144 170 195 155 150 60 27 21
4 JAGUAR CW 5 - 2 2 221 105 245 218 105 78 42 25 *Glory+*
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 COUGAR BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 295 5370 3050 298 260 87 71 47
5 YAGUARUNDI CVL 6 4 - 2 221 48 245 238 245 78 42 35
5 TIGER CA 7 - 4 2 340 205 366 402 260 82 66 42 *BioScan*
6 SIB.TIGER CV 7 6 - 2 350 88 366 442 270 93 66 45
7 HELLCAT BCH 9 - 6 3 435 265 693 418 620 161 135 97
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
9 LION DN 10 - 8 3 610 290 930 718 810 231 242 145
10 SIB.LION CVA 10 8 - 4 710 146 980 838 840 231 242 165


PLAYER 9 - ISC
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 ISC FF 6 - - 1 155 50 310 115 65 32 22 12
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
3 ISC DD 4 - 4 1 225 220 355 118 140 50 36 15
4 ISC CVL 6 4 - 1 325 48 685 236 161 75 36 51
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 ISC BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 344 5981 6840 295 254 120 77 52 *Chunnel*
6 ISC CA 6 - 6 2 435 150 870 386 305 84 42 53 *Scoop/BScn*
7 ISC CVS 6 6 - 2 455 88 710 315 257 93 62 65
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
9 ISC DN 8 - 8 3 745 250 1955 690 805 251 252 173
10 ISC FLEET CVA 8 8 - 3 795 142 1840 702 815 261 242 133


PLAYER 10 - HYDRAN
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 HUNTER FF 6 - - 1 99 33 165 97 65 32 24 13
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
2 LANCER DD 5 - 2 1 135 122 160 160 150 61 42 22
3 UHLAN CVL 5 4 - 1 155 48 190 180 170 71 42 32
4 CARAVAN BAT-TUG 5 1 - 2 260 5420 2920 286 258 98 57 75
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 RANGER CA 6 - 4 2 315 140 355 358 285 63 44 55
6 CAVALIER CV 6 6 - 2 265 82 285 348 250 87 59 47
7 OVERLORD BCH 6 - 7 2 395 240 420 443 585 143 122 85
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
8 PALADIN DN 9 - 8 3 625 290 750 758 777 231 242 182
10 IRON DUKE CVA 9 8 - 3 645 150 750 758 787 251 232 251


PLAYER 11 - KZIN
TL NAME ---------- B F T E Mss Crgo Fuel Crew MCr Tri Dur Mol
----------------- - - - -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- --- ---
1 CLASS-H FRT 1 - - 1 30 600 400 15 55 5 11 9 *TForm*
1 KZIN FF 6 - - 1 90 45 120 108 65 41 22 12
2 CLASS-C FRT 2 - - 1 40 1200 600 17 65 6 11 9 *TForm*
3 KZIN DD 4 - 4 1 175 260 200 178 120 52 41 12
4 KZIN CVE 6 4 - 2 155 50 200 188 150 52 44 17
5 ALCHEMY FRT 2 - - 2 45 750 500 27 265 43 39 29 *Alcm*
5 LUXURY LINER 2 - - 2 227 300 500 87 250 61 52 83 *Casino*
5 KZIN CM 4 - 6 2 270 110 365 265 190 71 42 53
5 KZN BAT-TUG 4 1 - 2 260 5885 2775 288 290 148 92 98
6 KZIN BCR 6 - 4 2 320 265 360 387 255 71 42 42
7 KZIN CV 6 6 - 2 310 94 375 352 312 121 72 63
8 LAS 8 - - 5 920 2700 450 120 840 250 271 134 *Alcm*
8 KZIN DN 8 - 8 3 560 220 760 690 715 213 190 160
9 KZIN CVA 8 8 - 3 560 142 760 740 815 243 230 210
10 KZIN SCS 10 10- 6 755 230 990 936 1225 632 630 570
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Post#19 » Mon May 29, 2006 1:11 pm

I mentioned several posts back to Zaphod about the custom weapons stats in SFB - here's the list:

BEAM STATS

TL MCr Tri Dur Mol Mass Kill Expl
-- --- --- --- --- ---- ---- ----
Gatling Phaser 1 1 1 0 0 1 3 10
Type 3 Phaser 2 2 1 0 0 1 10 25
Fusion Beam 3 5 1 2 0 2 9 29
Disruptor 4 10 1 12 1 4 30 20
Type 2 Phaser 5 12 1 12 5 3 20 40
Hvy Fusion Beam 6 13 1 12 1 4 30 35
Type 1 Phaser 7 31 1 12 14 7 25 45
Phase Disruptor 8 35 1 12 30 5 40 45
Particle Cannon 9 36 1 17 7 7 55 35
MegaPhaser 10 54 1 12 55 6 35 65




TORPEDO STATS
Torp
TL MCr Tri Dur Mol Mass Kill Expl Cost
-- --- --- --- --- ---- ---- ---- ----
Type I-F Drone 1 1 1 1 0 2 4 8 1
Mark 2 Photon 2 4 1 0 0 2 6 13 2
Type 3 Drone 3 4 0 4 0 2 20 4 5
Type F Plasma 4 6 1 3 1 4 9 20 10
Mark 5 Photon 5 5 1 1 5 2 13 29 12
Type 6 Drone 6 20 1 4 1 2 11 38 13
Mark 8 Photon 8 30 1 7 1 3 25 49 25
Type S Plasma 9 35 1 2 7 2 30 57 30
Type X Drone 9 40 1 3 8 3 50 19 40
Hellbore 10 40 1 1 9 3 35 80 40
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Post#20 » Mon May 29, 2006 4:10 pm

I'm claiming the Kzinti right now. I didn't even look at the ship stats yet. I just want to play the Kzin.


And, yes, the stories were cool. I think I only ever got to actually play the game a couple times but I sure bought a lot of the rulebooks.

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Post#21 » Mon May 29, 2006 4:11 pm

Enemy#1 wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Oh, this looks SO cool! See my message in Wing Commander.
I will be in your area shortly to wipe you out, so Hang on.
I take it you want to join this game and slow it down to a crawl too. Get your turn in early once every 15 turns.
Blah, blah, blah, blah....

Stop talking and start doing. Sheesh. :roll:

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Post#22 » Tue May 30, 2006 5:25 am

THX Klauser,

i will dl them from the dl-area and pick a race :)
have fun!

hennef

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Post#23 » Tue May 30, 2006 6:03 am

WOW! some of those ships cost A LOT !!!!!

look at the hive-carrier. that is insane!

well, i call dibs on the ISC :)

btw, do the races keep their "normal" race advantages, like superrefit, hiss, free fighters, etc.?
have fun!

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Post#24 » Tue May 30, 2006 8:49 am

hennef wrote:WOW! some of those ships cost A LOT !!!!!

look at the hive-carrier. that is insane!
Ahh ... you noticed that!

As some of you SFB vets out there may have noticed, I included several ships in the game that were one-shots in the SFB board game (like the Klingon B10 or the Seltorian Hive Ship), or where conjectural ships (like the Fed ARES BB). I used the high cost for these ships to keep down the numbers of those ships in the game.
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Post#25 » Tue May 30, 2006 9:45 am

Ahhh the B10, existed on paper but never built.
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Post#26 » Tue May 30, 2006 9:51 am

Well, if the Lizards, Privateers, Tholians and Robots would hurry up and finish me off in NF VII, I'd like to play the Tholians or Lyrans (even without the ESG Field Generators).
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Post#27 » Tue May 30, 2006 7:36 pm

Commodore Cherek, IRJTN wrote:Ahhh the B10, existed on paper but never built.

I wanted to say the Klingons actually built a B10, but wasn't sure - so I went back and checked my old Captains Modules and R Docs to see what the story was. Here's what I dug up on the "big guns" according to SFB lore...


The Federation's ARES Class Battleship (BB) was conjectural only and never contructed.


The Gorn TYRANNASAURUS REX Class Dreadnought (DN) was an operational ship class. The Gorn apparently looked at designing a BB Class ship (GODZILLA Class), but the superior performance of the T-REX DN, plus the high cost of the BB, made a BB class a poor use of resources.


The Romulan CONDOR and CONDOR-V were operational ship classes. The Romulans never designed a BB Class ship, but were in negotiations with the Klingons to build a B10 for Romulan use.


The Klingon B10 Class BB was the only Battleship class actually constructed by any race in SFB. Only four B10s began construction:

- B10-1 INVINCIBLE. Finished despite massive delays and cost overruns.

- B10-2 INSATIABLE. Converted mid-construction as a B-10V Heavy Carrier (CVA) class, then converted at the last minute as a Space Control Ship (SCS).

- B10-3 INVIOLABLE. Only partially completed when rushed into commission. Hevily damaged in combat and never completed.

- B10-4 INVUNERABLE. Never completed - the "boom" section was completed and assigned to local system defense.


The Seltorian Hive Ship was the base ship the Seltorians use to make the transit from the Tholian Home Galaxy, and is basically a mobile starbase. There was only one Hive Ship constructed.


The NEO-THOLIAN BB was never built by the Tholians, but later refugees from the Tholian home galaxy brought the designs for this BB ship with them.


The Lyran LION Class DN was an operational ship class. The SIBERIAN LION Class CVA was conjectural and never built.


The ISC Dreadnought was an operational ship Class. One Dreadnought was completed as a CVA class.


The Hydran PALADIN DN was an operational ship class. One of the PALADINS was completed as a heavy carrier class and named as the IRON DUKE Class CVA.


Kzinti SPACE CONTROL SHIP was an operational ship class.



Yeah ... I know. I am such a geek ;)
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Post#28 » Tue May 30, 2006 9:18 pm

Klauser wrote:Yeah ... I know. I am such a geek ;)
I wouldn't say, but then again, I might. :D

When I played SFB, there was the thought of only one B10 existed but never proven. I stopped playing SFB shortly after a new class of ships came out (I think it was the X class).
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Post#29 » Tue May 30, 2006 10:44 pm

hennef wrote: btw, do the races keep their "normal" race advantages, like superrefit, hiss, free fighters, etc.?
The race abilities are pretty standard fare.

Some of the ships have been moved around; imperial assault is on the Klingon B10, both the Klingons and Lyrans have a glory device ship, etc.

Check out the ship list I posted above for more details.
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Post#30 » Tue May 30, 2006 11:11 pm

Okay, I want the Lyrans!!!!
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