Re: Welcome to The Pit 5
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:49 am
I did try to tell you the missiles were a waste of time...
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Actually, no. They were honestly a minor niggle at the end of the day and did little to impede my progress (I'm sure you would agree having seen this first hand). In fact it was fuel (or a lack of it) that was the main inhibitor to expansion in the early stages. I mentioned part way through the game you were using them wrong - basically you kept firing the same type of missiles in a spread, which decreased population, but the Jupiter add-on allows the Robots to build more colonists out of Tri and Supplies.... This is why you would have seen some effect on the Empire, but not the Robots. As time went on, I increased my planet count, which wasn't matched by your ship count, and therefore the missiles started to have a diluted effect. What would have been a better option would have been to either (a) send 40-odd planet-defeating missiles at once from the same location to a single planet, thus reducing population happiness to the point where civil wars cause the planet (and therefore starbase) to be lost, or (b) send a mix of planet-defeating missiles along with ship-defeating ones which would have made me have to check every. single. one. (a time consuming process)Gilgamesh wrote:So you won't have minded that I sent a couple of hundred of them at you this game.
The viral field is a PITA for sure, but not unbeatable, even for the Fascists, nor without it's limitations. Funnily enough its the Birdmen which are probably best equipped to deal with it (Darkwing on cloaked-intercept of course). You say it's unbalanced, but at the end of the day, I didn't even come close to winning...Gilgamesh wrote: They are a nice weapon, but they have certain limitations and I agree the viral field is unbalanced, especially in the hands of a race with a powerful fleet even in a NF scenario.
Sure, I lost a couple of starbases in the end (a very small percent of the total), I'm not denying that at all, but once you got those messages and targeted another planet, I simply re-populated the planet and re-built the base if it was a planet worth keeping. From a campaign perspective it meant your ships were anchored while mine were on the move. If you had a junk ship / Stardrive 1 SDSF throwing the rocks, then this was probably a good job for it, but in the grand scheme of things who wants to build a fleet of junk ships, right?Gilgamesh wrote:Well I don't know - I got plenty of missile messages from your area of space saying they had landed on a planet belonging to nobody, so don't pretend you didn't lose anything. If I was on the receiving end of that I might consider it more than a "minor niggle" but tell it how you want.
Gil, these are two unrelated items, and therefore hardly a contradiction. Yes, the Fascist missiles were a minor annoyance, and no, I never stated that I wasn't overbalanced. What I did say was that the viral field can be a PITA, however if the correct tactics are employed, then it can be neutralised. I was once playing against a Robot player that was using viral fields (got caught in them too) and managed to reduce them down to a couple of starbases by the end of the game, so they can be dealt to. It's fair to say the Cybernaut isn't an overly powerful ship, and to be used effectively you have to be careful with it. When you chose your race for this game, both the Lizards and Robots were still available as an option. Perhaps next time grab the Robots for a run instead of having a whine?Gilgamesh wrote:So on the one hand you say the missiles were a minor annoyance - on the other you say you weren't overbalanced with your viral field.
Actually Gil, that would be just yourself and Iceman on this one... I would put it to you that the mass of overlapping Crystal webmines in the north-west quadrant and the itinerant ion storms were a far, far bigger menace. The Lizard player could have taken out the viral fields easily enough given the number of ships he had, the trouble was he wasn't prepared to commit the ships required to do so, as by attacking he would have taken his Rex's and Madons up against my carriers. Heck even with the number of Vickies I saw you could have had a crack at it.Gilgamesh wrote: Most posters seem to disagree with you on that one.