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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Rimstalker » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:25 pm

which brings us back to the 'no one wants to play rare universes anymore' thingi
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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Gilgamesh » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:01 pm

The idea of assigned races is a bit iffy for me. I'd go in if I could play, oh I don't know, let's say the Klingons :) but if I drew the Empire by lottery, probably not so much fun.
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Re: Game suggestion

Post by B A N E » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:10 pm

If folks don't like low mineral games, then try turning Alchemy OFF including the Cobol ramscoop.
That will definitely have an impact on the economy and ensure that the game will end one way or another.
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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Wacky » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:04 pm

As far as I am considered: Main problem why a game bogs down is because of SIZE.
Controlling 50 planets and 50 ships is doable. When you're talking about 100 planets and 100 ships it becomes a real drag.
Also, with 11 players neighbours are not to far away, but with only 5 left because half is dead, everyone is REALLY far away.

FIX: Smaller universe.
This will either result in players being on each others lip (quicker first contact) or one should play with less players. Since people complain about not having enemies, I suggest just letting players be closer to each other, and make a map with 250 planets, 1400x1400 LY across (wrap-around boundaries, for more neighbours).

Second problem (for some) - ever retreating players and use of starbases as main defense.

FIX: More expensive starbases (at LEAST twice as expensive, but I have nothing against x4).
This will mean resource-wise it will often advisable to use ships in stead of starbases in defense.
As a side effect, it will be harder to crank up your starship production at the beginning of the game, resulting in less ships and a later time at which the shiplimit is reached.

Yes it would seriously affect the way you play the game, but it would mean ships count, and what you do with them counts.
It might result in shifts in the balance of races, but those can always be compensated by tweaking tax/mining/supply production/free fighters.

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Cardno » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:24 pm

I agree that all the things you mention are factors which can impact a game.

For me, I try to balance maximum ship production before the ship queue, with expansion. Good expansion assists greatly with proximty and therefore, the capability to fight and bring war to your neighbours. From experience, focussing on maximising ship production often = an inabilty (for much of the game) to bring significant war to significant parts of the map. The cause of this often isn't just about what others do but what YOU do. Many players seem to try to avoid conflict until after ship queue is reached just so they can maximise their ship production. I think this is a major problem with the way many play the game and how it impacts the game.

It is possible to counter maxed out starbases. It often means building 'fighter killing ships' which you are prepare to sacrifice if neccessary, then followed by a nice capital ship. Every race has one. If you take down half the fighters in a maxed out starbase using this method, you can kill it quite easily with a half decent capital ship following. I guess a really good player who ends up with 50 or so starbases does present a problem. But I think it can be done.

There are some players here who are better than me who I think do not just 'sit and build their fleets'. Perhaps they have some comments to make as well.

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Super Tech » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:00 pm

I imagine that MBR#1 and SSD#500 would be useful against maxed out star bases.

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Rimstalker » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:21 pm

Cardno wrote:I agree that all the things you mention are factors which can impact a game.

For me, I try to balance maximum ship production before the ship queue, with expansion. Good expansion assists greatly with proximty and therefore, the capability to fight and bring war to your neighbours. From experience, focussing on maximising ship production often = an inabilty (for much of the game) to bring significant war to significant parts of the map. The cause of this often isn't just about what others do but what YOU do. Many players seem to try to avoid conflict until after ship queue is reached just so they can maximise their ship production. I think this is a major problem with the way many play the game and how it impacts the game.

It is possible to counter maxed out starbases. It often means building 'fighter killing ships' which you are prepare to sacrifice if neccessary, then followed by a nice capital ship. Every race has one. If you take down half the fighters in a maxed out starbase using this method, you can kill it quite easily with a half decent capital ship following. I guess a really good player who ends up with 50 or so starbases does present a problem. But I think it can be done.

There are some players here who are better than me who I think do not just 'sit and build their fleets'. Perhaps they have some comments to make as well.
current settings are way too rich, and the games use Teleport to boot. In the Pit 3, I have spent minerals on 8 or 9 launchers so far (15 000 kts each), have bases on basically all my 70 or so planets and transwarp, HP Rushs in the queue for roughly the next 150 planet IDs.

I can really recommend a SUPER rare universe (300 kts of all minerals combined on planets on average, horrible densities) with the Penger shiplist. Merlins cost the same there, but have 300 cargospace, all ships and high tech ship components are horribly expensive in mcs.

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by wasp » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:26 pm

I can't imagine myself in such a SUPER rare unverse game... I find it difficult to build lots of ships with teleport and rich seetings...

Of course it's my fault, I don't play as well as you. You really have to create a vgaplanets academy and teach some of that stuff.... cleary i'm doing something wrong.
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Re: Game suggestion

Post by FLETCH » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:11 am

I have been spruiking the virtues of a smaller set up game with fewer planets, smaller universe and lower turn limit for years now. I don't ever seem to get much support in the forums whenever I suggest it though. This suits those who have a busy life/family that struggles to cope with the 100 ship 100 planet situation. Don't worry though, I won't go into it any further here.

I see the use of Star Bases as a valid strategy. As Cardno said, a good player will build ships suited to their purpose, not just a one muscle ship fits all scenario.

Personally I don't see the attraction of a game where you can't afford to do ANYTHING for turns at a time. I agree some games are over resourced, the AQ series is notorious for it. I myself have had a lot of fun in that one but I don't join them specifically for that aspect, however it lends itself to big battles between fleets of ships adding to the excitement. I guess that is what the game descriptions are for, if you aren't into a certain set up then don't join. I'm sure if there is interest in something different then ][avok or Bitmask will build it.
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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Cardno » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:05 am

I was tempted to mention AQ games myself. Talk about SUPER rich....

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by BitMask » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:58 am

They are built the same riches as normal games, but torp ships use less resources so it seem super rich.

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by BitMask » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:00 am

wasp wrote: Of course it's my fault, I don't play as well as you. You really have to create a vgaplanets academy and teach some of that stuff.... cleary i'm doing something wrong.
You might want to read my Klingon guide. There are good pointers in the for you B-)

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Cardno » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:21 am

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by BitMask » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:38 am

That is not the universe, that is a game feature that change the universe :)

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Re: Game suggestion

Post by Cardno » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:52 pm

BitMask wrote:That is not the universe, that is a game feature that change the universe :)
Now Mr Bitmask....... The end result is that in AQ games there tends to be a SHITLOAD of minerals (and many more BOVIND Planets....)

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