The Tholian Holdfast

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The Tholian Holdfast

Post#1 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:53 pm

Post ideas about ships for the Tholian's. This should be used in helping Zap and Bane come up with a new shiplist. Post Ideas about exceptable race advantages too
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Post#2 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:20 pm

Tholian ship Designs

Ships list for the Tholians Tech Bm T/F $ Dur Tri Mol En Mass Carg Fuel Crew
Topez Class Gunboat 3 2 1/0 60 12 27 25 2 65 30 100 20
Ruby Class Light Cruiser 3 4 2/0 95 32 47 43 2 120 370 390 136
Neutronic Fuel Carrier 3 0 0/0 20 20 2 20 2 10 2 900 2
Onyx Class Frigate * 4 4 1/0 280 25 35 95 2 153 20 150 320
Sky Garnet Destroyer 5 7 4/0 350 42 43 75 2 165 300 320 430
Vindicator Frigate 6 6 4/0 280 25 45 89 2 155 50 240 300
Emerald Battlecruiser 7 6 3/0 390 52 71 93 2 190 1000 550 258
DiamondFlame Battleship 9 10 6/0 410 70 93 390 2 451 90 400 510
Crystal Thunder Carrier 10 6 0/8 480 42 61 233 4 350 110 310 422
Neutronic Refinery Ship 10 6 0/0 970 125 150 527 10 920 2700 450 120
Merlyn Alchemy 10 8 0/0 840 625 250 134 10 712 1050 800 190

Keep the Moly heavy stats, as The Tholian’s are a small ship built for speed race with just a few big ships.
Onyx is a *=Teraforming Ship not a Teraforming MineSweeper, it is now on par with the Fed and Gorn ships
Vindicator Frigate is a copy of the Tholian’s nearest 2 neighbors, the Klingon’s and Romulan’s Deth and is a non cloaking ship
As the the Tholian’s have signed the Khitomer Accords, to keep the other races from attacking the Holdfast.

Ship hulls dropped
Small Deep Space Frieghter
Opal Class Torpedo Boat
Small Transport
Medium Deep Space Frieghter
Large Deep Space Frieghter


Tholian are a extremely territorial and xenophobic race. Tholian Battleships are designed to lay lots of webmines and have large cargoholds combined with a battle philosophy of Trapping Enemies instead of fighting them. After successfully eliminating several alien races in this manner, the Crystal People enlarged their territorial expansion and took out numerous alien civilizations on long edge of the Cluster. After running into the Solar Federation and seeing their Webmines fail, and their ships heavily damaged. The Tholian Military leaders demanded better equipped, Web Laying ships and Ships capable of destroying, Alien Race ships. The Designs finally approved were the Diamond Flame Battleship and the Crystal Thunder Carrier. The Emerald Class Battlecruiser, which seems to be designed primarily to lay huge webmines and move cargo, can serve as a medium battleship but when it comes to real fighting the Crystals have to rely on their Diamond Flame and Crystal Thunder.
The philosophy of the Tholian Holdfast, is for its ships to be able to protect the Holdfast and remove unwanted alien’s either by capturing in webs or destroying alien ships in combat, this has made requirements of its all ships in the fleet to be able to web and tow off captured alien ships with the only except to the Web requirement is the lone Crystal Thunder Carrier.

Description of Tholian only Ships.
Topaz Gunboat: This ship can make small webs or tend larger webs to keep them growing. The real use for this ship is to ensnare sneaky hyper jumping probe’s and the mundane task of towing fuel less Alien ships to StarBases, freeing up other Tholian warships.

Ruby Class Light Cruiser: The first of the "Armed Freighters" in the Crystal arsenal. A crystal fleet is built on the idea of Armed Freighters. Why? Because with warships that have cargo holds like the Ruby and the Emerald, the Crystal can build a much more thorny empire than the other races. Crystalline ships are designed to lay lots of webmines and have large cargoholds combined with a medium weapon load. Their critical freight is protected by webs and by warships.

Onyx Class Frigate: The Onyx can heat up planets to a nice toasty 100 temp. In addition, while these ships are cooking your planets, they can be busy doing other jobs like probe defense and minor web expansion.

Sky Garnet Cruiser: It serves as an effective multi-role warship, and was created after, watching the Fed Ship Enterprise “C” escape.

Vindicator Frigate: Servers as a good heavy hitter, with short range. Created after years of Battles against the Klingon’s and Romulans, but without a cloaking device.


Emerald Battlecruiser: Is the best armed freighter in the game. With a massive cargo hold, this ship sends shivers down your enemy's spine. With no real reason for the unarmed Freighters, the Tholians removed some beams to add to the Cargo space to this Armed Freighter.

DiamondFlame Battleship: The leading Jab in the Tholian’s fleet.

Crystal Thunder Carrier: The knock out punch of the Tholian fleet
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Post#3 » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:32 pm

with all respect enemy1, but giving the emerald a 1000! cargo is ridiculous!

and the vinicator is no option to build, because the new skygarnet is already better :?
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Post#4 » Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:58 pm

No problem Hen,
This is all a work in progress worked on it with a couple of other people,
thought behind was no deep space frieghters, but we agree the thought of a Emerald with 1000kt cargo is a scary thought
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Post#5 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:08 pm

Hef,
How about we put the Emerald back to 510 Cargo, add the beams back to 8 and add 1 torp to 4 instead. The Tholians will keep all the Freighters in the game as well, instead of replacing them.
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Post#6 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:29 pm

i like that better. i always fear the emerald the way it is right now. but with 1000 cargo..... :roll:

but what was the idea of the vindicator again?
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Post#7 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:41 pm

hennef wrote:i like that better. i always fear the emerald the way it is right now. but with 1000 cargo..... :roll:

but what was the idea of the vindicator again?

The Vindicator was a Deth, in a not cloaking form with more cargo, it can be dropped all together, but the idea was to have a non SB planet killer where you wouldn't have to risk the Cargo carrying Emerald. The Tholian's just don't have a ship for that role. But a 4 torp Emerald could help.
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Post#8 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:44 pm

i just do not understand this constellation of ships. they all seem to fullfill the same role more or less.

Sky Garnet Destroyer 5 7 4/0 350 42 43 75 2 165 300 320 430
Vindicator Frigate 6 6 4/0 280 25 45 89 2 155 50 240 300
Emerald Battlecruiser 7 6 3/0 390 52 71 93 2 190 1000 550 258

it´s like they are all the same but with different cargo.
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Post#9 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:48 pm

hennef wrote:i just do not understand this constellation of ships. they all seem to fullfill the same role more or less.

Sky Garnet Destroyer 5 7 4/0 350 42 43 75 2 165 300 320 430
Vindicator Frigate 6 6 4/0 280 25 45 89 2 155 50 240 300
Emerald Battlecruiser 7 6 3/0 390 52 71 93 2 190 1000 550 258

it´s like they are all the same but with different cargo.

Drop the Vindicator all together. As you pointed out already the Garnet will fill the role. I keep forgetting we made that change on the Garnet.
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Post#10 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:12 pm

i would strip the garnet of some cargo though. make it 120 or so. still enough to take along full ammo and supplies but leaves the role of medium and heavy mine-layer to ruby and emerald.
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Post#11 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:06 pm

How about a cargo of 150? and on the Dreaming side for the Tholians, how about a Falcon with 1 torp tube??!?!?!?!
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Post#12 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:03 pm

Enemy#1 wrote:How about a cargo of 150? and on the Dreaming side for the Tholians, how about a Falcon with 1 torp tube??!?!?!?!


Nah, I've decided what the webslinger really NEEEEEDS is the
Resolute with gravitonic accelerators!
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Post#13 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:44 pm

of course :wink: why did i not come up with this #-o :roll:
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Post#14 » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:42 pm

B A N E wrote:
Enemy#1 wrote:How about a cargo of 150? and on the Dreaming side for the Tholians, how about a Falcon with 1 torp tube??!?!?!?!


Nah, I've decided what the webslinger really NEEEEEDS is the
Resolute with gravitonic accelerators!

I could live with that idea. :lol:
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Post#15 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:07 pm

CRYSTAL
Problem Hulls

Hull Name_____TL__E__B__F__T_Crew_Mass_Fuel_Cargo_Cost_Tri_Dur_Mol
Topez GB_______3__1__4__-__-___20___65___60____15___60__27__12__25
NTopez GB______3__1__1__-__3___20___65___60____15___60__27__12__25

Turn this ship's weapons around.

Sky Garnet DD__5__2__7__-__1___80___90__120____30__110__43__32__25
NSky Garnet DD_5__2__7__-__1__160___90__120____30__110__43__32__25

Double the crew.
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